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	<pubDate>Tue, 06 Jan 2009 10:58:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Tom Padden</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-594644</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Padden</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 12:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob

I agree with you completely about price marketing.  All it does is make you work twice as hard for the same money or just make less.  Speaking of real estate, my appraisal business is facing similar problems now with banks and appraisal management companies cutting fees to the bone.  We continue to get a $350 fee for an appraisal of a modest house.  However, work from the management companies is now offered at a miniscule rate of $225.  Some appraisers are even doing the same for $175.  These kinds of customers don't seem to want value added services at a higher fee.  We are continuing to look for other than bank work to maintain fees at a reasonable rate.  What do you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob</p>
<p>I agree with you completely about price marketing.  All it does is make you work twice as hard for the same money or just make less.  Speaking of real estate, my appraisal business is facing similar problems now with banks and appraisal management companies cutting fees to the bone.  We continue to get a $350 fee for an appraisal of a modest house.  However, work from the management companies is now offered at a miniscule rate of $225.  Some appraisers are even doing the same for $175.  These kinds of customers don&#8217;t seem to want value added services at a higher fee.  We are continuing to look for other than bank work to maintain fees at a reasonable rate.  What do you think?</p>
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		<title>By: Abdul Rahman</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-588904</link>
		<dc:creator>Abdul Rahman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 10:03:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-588904</guid>
		<description>But it seems that trying to win price war while you are in a service industry is stupid.

&lt;blockquote&gt;

Eventually, you end up working for peanuts — a terrible way to live — for customers that don’t value your service, experience, or knowledge.

Also, if low price is your only selling point, what happens when the guy across the street undercuts you in a price war?

Low-priced vendors and their employees resent working for so little, which translates into crappy service for the customer.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Going to put this on my blog. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But it seems that trying to win price war while you are in a service industry is stupid.</p>
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<p>Eventually, you end up working for peanuts — a terrible way to live — for customers that don’t value your service, experience, or knowledge.</p>
<p>Also, if low price is your only selling point, what happens when the guy across the street undercuts you in a price war?</p>
<p>Low-priced vendors and their employees resent working for so little, which translates into crappy service for the customer.</p></blockquote>
<p>Going to put this on my blog. <img src='http://bly.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bly</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-556039</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Bly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 21:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-556039</guid>
		<description>Fern: In products, Wal-Mart. In services, India. Wal-Mart has a downside for their workers, but not consumers. As for outsourcing to India, many would argue that American customers are not happy with this trend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fern: In products, Wal-Mart. In services, India. Wal-Mart has a downside for their workers, but not consumers. As for outsourcing to India, many would argue that American customers are not happy with this trend.</p>
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		<title>By: Fern</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-555941</link>
		<dc:creator>Fern</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 19:53:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-555941</guid>
		<description>Does any one ever win the price war?  I don't think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does any one ever win the price war?  I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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		<title>By: John Kelly</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-555813</link>
		<dc:creator>John Kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 17:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-555813</guid>
		<description>Bob,

Right now, the real estate market is undergoing a fundamental sea-change. I agree with you that price discounters don't always win in the long run, but the one example you state, Foxtons, will not be the only realtor going out of business in the near future. I expect many, if not the majority, to go out of business. And that includes the high-priced 'value-added' realtors as well as the discounters.

For what it's worth, I haven't met many real estate agents worth what they charge in commissions, especially when it was a hot sellers market. I would hazard a guess that when it comes to real estate salespeople, Pareto's Rule has to be modified. Only about 5% of the agents are worth their salt. This comes from personal experience - I ended up selling my last three properties myself in San Diego when I found the agents to be lacking. (I use that term charitably.) 

When a neighbor of ours, who was a real estate agent (and every other person in San Diego had that title it seemed), learned we were considering selling our condo, she rushed home to her computer. 10 or 15 minutes later she was at our door with a printout of recent comps. That was nice &#38; I thanked her. Later, when she learned that we were going to sell the place ourselves, she was more than miffed, she was downright angry. How dare we, after all the work she did for us already!

That was one example of many. 

As to the low average pay, much of that can be contributed to the wild over-abundance of agents, especially here in California. The industry has a very low bar to climb over to become an agent; basically if you're breathing, they'll hire you!

But the market is rapidly changing, and that will change everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Right now, the real estate market is undergoing a fundamental sea-change. I agree with you that price discounters don&#8217;t always win in the long run, but the one example you state, Foxtons, will not be the only realtor going out of business in the near future. I expect many, if not the majority, to go out of business. And that includes the high-priced &#8216;value-added&#8217; realtors as well as the discounters.</p>
<p>For what it&#8217;s worth, I haven&#8217;t met many real estate agents worth what they charge in commissions, especially when it was a hot sellers market. I would hazard a guess that when it comes to real estate salespeople, Pareto&#8217;s Rule has to be modified. Only about 5% of the agents are worth their salt. This comes from personal experience - I ended up selling my last three properties myself in San Diego when I found the agents to be lacking. (I use that term charitably.) </p>
<p>When a neighbor of ours, who was a real estate agent (and every other person in San Diego had that title it seemed), learned we were considering selling our condo, she rushed home to her computer. 10 or 15 minutes later she was at our door with a printout of recent comps. That was nice &amp; I thanked her. Later, when she learned that we were going to sell the place ourselves, she was more than miffed, she was downright angry. How dare we, after all the work she did for us already!</p>
<p>That was one example of many. </p>
<p>As to the low average pay, much of that can be contributed to the wild over-abundance of agents, especially here in California. The industry has a very low bar to climb over to become an agent; basically if you&#8217;re breathing, they&#8217;ll hire you!</p>
<p>But the market is rapidly changing, and that will change everything.</p>
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		<title>By: Susanna K. Hutcheson</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-555711</link>
		<dc:creator>Susanna K. Hutcheson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 16:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-555711</guid>
		<description>Bob,

Your point is well taken. I totally agree with you. While we expect sales (discounts) on things like books and software and items of that nature, services should never be discounted.

If professionals don't charge and earn what they're worth, they won't do nearly as good a job for their clients. I know that when I'm well paid, I work harder for a client. I go the extra mile. I stopped underpricing my services a long time ago and am glad I did.

Professionals can't afford to discount their services and they deserve to go bankrupt if they do. If all people in our profession charged what they should charge, we'd all be better off and the clients would be better served.

Susanna</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob,</p>
<p>Your point is well taken. I totally agree with you. While we expect sales (discounts) on things like books and software and items of that nature, services should never be discounted.</p>
<p>If professionals don&#8217;t charge and earn what they&#8217;re worth, they won&#8217;t do nearly as good a job for their clients. I know that when I&#8217;m well paid, I work harder for a client. I go the extra mile. I stopped underpricing my services a long time ago and am glad I did.</p>
<p>Professionals can&#8217;t afford to discount their services and they deserve to go bankrupt if they do. If all people in our profession charged what they should charge, we&#8217;d all be better off and the clients would be better served.</p>
<p>Susanna</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Grigg</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-552171</link>
		<dc:creator>Ted Grigg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:41:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-552171</guid>
		<description>So true Bob about pricing your services low.

It's better to work for $200/hour for 50 hours a month than 200 hours for $50/hour. At the lower price, all you can do is go down.

Frankly, it is far better to learn how to price a a job for a flat fee and forget about the hourly rate bit.

I’ve been an independent direct marketing consultant off and on since 1985. If I've learned nothing else, pricing by the job is the best and most profitable way to go.

How can you go from $50 to $150 an hour when the client was only willing to pay $50? Qualify your clients by selecting those who are worth your time. The cheap clients won't listen to your advice or respect it anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So true Bob about pricing your services low.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s better to work for $200/hour for 50 hours a month than 200 hours for $50/hour. At the lower price, all you can do is go down.</p>
<p>Frankly, it is far better to learn how to price a a job for a flat fee and forget about the hourly rate bit.</p>
<p>I’ve been an independent direct marketing consultant off and on since 1985. If I&#8217;ve learned nothing else, pricing by the job is the best and most profitable way to go.</p>
<p>How can you go from $50 to $150 an hour when the client was only willing to pay $50? Qualify your clients by selecting those who are worth your time. The cheap clients won&#8217;t listen to your advice or respect it anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bly</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-551579</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Bly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-551579</guid>
		<description>Michael: discounting can work in product sales, where the marketer can make it up on volume. But for the solo service provider, it is a disastrous path. I talked to a guy yesterday who writes ebooks for $500 each, and it takes him 2 weeks to complete each book. I recommended he switch into a writing niche where clients can afford to pay him what he's worth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael: discounting can work in product sales, where the marketer can make it up on volume. But for the solo service provider, it is a disastrous path. I talked to a guy yesterday who writes ebooks for $500 each, and it takes him 2 weeks to complete each book. I recommended he switch into a writing niche where clients can afford to pay him what he&#8217;s worth.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Ryan</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-551353</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-551353</guid>
		<description>yikes! major grammar typo:  I mean to write sank instead of sunk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>yikes! major grammar typo:  I mean to write sank instead of sunk.</p>
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		<title>By: Suzanne Ryan</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-551349</link>
		<dc:creator>Suzanne Ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 14:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bly.com/blog/general/ding-dong-foxtons-dead/#comment-551349</guid>
		<description>Bob--I absolutely agree with you.  Entrepreneurialism is all about making a profit.  Not so that you can become rich and fat and decadent.  But so you can live above the survival level.

I guess this real estate company, Foxtons, sunk below the survival level--and drowned.

About discounts:  I am about to move into a specialty niche and will offer a crazy discount to the first 3 takers---just to get my foot in the door.  Short term and a carefully strategized discount. Otherwise...pffft...wouldn't consider it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob&#8211;I absolutely agree with you.  Entrepreneurialism is all about making a profit.  Not so that you can become rich and fat and decadent.  But so you can live above the survival level.</p>
<p>I guess this real estate company, Foxtons, sunk below the survival level&#8211;and drowned.</p>
<p>About discounts:  I am about to move into a specialty niche and will offer a crazy discount to the first 3 takers&#8212;just to get my foot in the door.  Short term and a carefully strategized discount. Otherwise&#8230;pffft&#8230;wouldn&#8217;t consider it.</p>
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