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	<title>Comments on: Is the College You Go to Important?</title>
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		<title>By: Kate</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/is-the-college-you-go-to-important/#comment-634017</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Dec 2007 06:31:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sandy,
Do what is best for you. It's no use to attend a school you find depressing. If you're from NY like I am, I do understand how hard it is to get into Binghamton. No matter, follow your own instincts and everyone else -- let them talk. 

I went to University of Maryland as an undergrad and Rensselaer for grad school (dropped out of a PhD program, but earned the M.S.).

Frankly, I did very well in school, but found that most employers haven't cared about my stellar grades or the name of my alma maters. 

They care whether I can do the job. 

In all, you have to build a life which satisfies you, and you alone. So follow your own instincts, dreams, heart, whatever it is. 

Best of luck to you!

Kate</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sandy,<br />
Do what is best for you. It&#8217;s no use to attend a school you find depressing. If you&#8217;re from NY like I am, I do understand how hard it is to get into Binghamton. No matter, follow your own instincts and everyone else &#8212; let them talk. </p>
<p>I went to University of Maryland as an undergrad and Rensselaer for grad school (dropped out of a PhD program, but earned the M.S.).</p>
<p>Frankly, I did very well in school, but found that most employers haven&#8217;t cared about my stellar grades or the name of my alma maters. </p>
<p>They care whether I can do the job. </p>
<p>In all, you have to build a life which satisfies you, and you alone. So follow your own instincts, dreams, heart, whatever it is. </p>
<p>Best of luck to you!</p>
<p>Kate</p>
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		<title>By: Sandy</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/is-the-college-you-go-to-important/#comment-626069</link>
		<dc:creator>Sandy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Nov 2007 07:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I need some major advice. I am a freshman right now in community college. But before you judge me for being in community college let me tell you my story. 
I graduated from high school 11th in my class out of 500 and took AP classes since my freshman year in high school. I graduated with a 3.8 average, so I guess you could consider me smart. I applied to a bunch of top ranked liberal arts schools and got into all of them but got hardly any money so I was forced to go to Binghamton University, a public university in New York. It's one of the best ranked public universities in the nation but I absolutely HATED it from the moment I stepped foot there. Although it was a very good school academically the atmosphere was just depressing. I couldn't stand it so I came back home to community college where I am now going for free. Now I'm looking for schools to transfer to and I got accepted to the University of Rhode Island, which is not a top ranked school. It's ranked as a 3rd-tier school, but I've visited it many times and have come to love the campus and love the overall atmosphere. I'm getting a lot of criticism from some of my family because they think that if I go to a school that isn't top ranked I'll have a hard time getting jobs and I wont be successful. So I'm lost on what to do. Any advice??? If it helps, I'm planning to double major in economics and film.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I need some major advice. I am a freshman right now in community college. But before you judge me for being in community college let me tell you my story.<br />
I graduated from high school 11th in my class out of 500 and took AP classes since my freshman year in high school. I graduated with a 3.8 average, so I guess you could consider me smart. I applied to a bunch of top ranked liberal arts schools and got into all of them but got hardly any money so I was forced to go to Binghamton University, a public university in New York. It&#8217;s one of the best ranked public universities in the nation but I absolutely HATED it from the moment I stepped foot there. Although it was a very good school academically the atmosphere was just depressing. I couldn&#8217;t stand it so I came back home to community college where I am now going for free. Now I&#8217;m looking for schools to transfer to and I got accepted to the University of Rhode Island, which is not a top ranked school. It&#8217;s ranked as a 3rd-tier school, but I&#8217;ve visited it many times and have come to love the campus and love the overall atmosphere. I&#8217;m getting a lot of criticism from some of my family because they think that if I go to a school that isn&#8217;t top ranked I&#8217;ll have a hard time getting jobs and I wont be successful. So I&#8217;m lost on what to do. Any advice??? If it helps, I&#8217;m planning to double major in economics and film.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarke Echols</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/is-the-college-you-go-to-important/#comment-601117</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarke Echols</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 15:25:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bly.com/blog/general/is-the-college-you-go-to-important/#comment-601117</guid>
		<description>I got my bachelor degree in physics with a math minor at a small state college in southern Colorado.  Only about 3000 students.  I attended Colorado State University off-campus as a special-student in their Masters program in Electrical (electronic) Engineering while working at Hewlett-Packard.  After 7 years as an engineer, I got tired of the politics of R&#38;D and went to marketing on a lower pay scale as a senior technical writer.  I cut my work hours by close to 1/3, and in 3-1/2 years, my salary jumped 55%.

For 20 years as a technical writer, reclassified as an engineer 10 years after the change, I worked an average of not more than 30 hours per week.  One project I did by myself for 4 years was moved to a different facility (California).  I was replaced by *10 full-time engineers* who couldn't make schedule.  I made a fuss publicly.  They tried a harrassment action.  I was interviewed by a guy from personnel to get my side of the story.
For 20 minutes I read him the riot act about how political correctness and laziness of employees was wrecking the company.

About 6 years after that, I left.  A manager in California wanted me punished for "being a poor team player".  All I did was tell her to figure out how to do what needed to be done when it needed to be done with the time and resources she had, instead of whining all the time about not having time and resources.  My boss (also a woman)
told me of the complaint.  I decided to retire.  My boss was distressed about how she was going to replace me.  She left 2 months after I did.  A year later, they were asking if I'd like to come back, and what it would cost.  I had been replaced by three people full-time.  My first replacement when I left was a graduate with a masters degree from MIT!  Before retiring, I was working about 3 hours per day and holding a chair down the rest of the time.

Where did my skills come from?  A typing class and an English teacher when I was a high-school senior.  We graduated 23 kids that year!  One of them was US Senator Ken Salazar's babysitter.

Corporations are too often convenient places for lazy people to hide from performance and responsibility.  Our public colleges and universities are becoming propagandizing centers instead of educational institutions, and too many of their "movers and shakers" are morons.

I have enough experience to appreciate a *quality* education.  But too many "institutions of higher learning" don't provide much useful learning.

I have nine children.  My youngest daughter is pursuing a doctorate in audiology.  My youngest son, age 26 is a senior at Colorado State U.  He speaks English, French, Spanish, and Mandarin, and is currently spending a semester studying international business in Shanghai.  Both of them were home schooled for their last three years of grade school before going to middle school and beyond.

Unfortunately, too many employees of businesses who are responsible for hiring think that piece of paper is important.  What's really important is ***HOW YOU THINK***!   People think they need a job, when what they need is a means for producing income.  Remember: Fifteen PhDs from Harvard and Yale, plus three bucks, will buy you a Big Mac at the Golden Arches.

Sorry about my irreverence.  I worked for 30 years with top engineers from the top universities in the country, and some of them were very very good.  But some didn't have a lick of common sense.  I interviewed a Masters in Electrical Engineering candidate from Iowa State University in 1976.  His GPA was 3.96.  He couldn't even tell me how a simple transistor works or behaves in a simple electronic circuit!

Find something you like to do or can learn to like to do, then figure out a way to market yourself.  Your income is a reflection of the value others place on what you do for them.  It need not be tied to a diploma from some fancy-dancy high-falutin university.

I grew up on a farm.  My dad got through the 9th grade.  My mother had a degree in fine arts from Brigham Young University.  My dad's greatest desire was that his children be well educated.  I agree.  But well educated doesn't mean you have to go to a hot-shot college.  There are many good ways to gain valuable knowledge.

Take it for what it's worth. My wife says I'm neither outspoken, nor opinionated. :-)

Clarke</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I got my bachelor degree in physics with a math minor at a small state college in southern Colorado.  Only about 3000 students.  I attended Colorado State University off-campus as a special-student in their Masters program in Electrical (electronic) Engineering while working at Hewlett-Packard.  After 7 years as an engineer, I got tired of the politics of R&amp;D and went to marketing on a lower pay scale as a senior technical writer.  I cut my work hours by close to 1/3, and in 3-1/2 years, my salary jumped 55%.</p>
<p>For 20 years as a technical writer, reclassified as an engineer 10 years after the change, I worked an average of not more than 30 hours per week.  One project I did by myself for 4 years was moved to a different facility (California).  I was replaced by *10 full-time engineers* who couldn&#8217;t make schedule.  I made a fuss publicly.  They tried a harrassment action.  I was interviewed by a guy from personnel to get my side of the story.<br />
For 20 minutes I read him the riot act about how political correctness and laziness of employees was wrecking the company.</p>
<p>About 6 years after that, I left.  A manager in California wanted me punished for &#8220;being a poor team player&#8221;.  All I did was tell her to figure out how to do what needed to be done when it needed to be done with the time and resources she had, instead of whining all the time about not having time and resources.  My boss (also a woman)<br />
told me of the complaint.  I decided to retire.  My boss was distressed about how she was going to replace me.  She left 2 months after I did.  A year later, they were asking if I&#8217;d like to come back, and what it would cost.  I had been replaced by three people full-time.  My first replacement when I left was a graduate with a masters degree from MIT!  Before retiring, I was working about 3 hours per day and holding a chair down the rest of the time.</p>
<p>Where did my skills come from?  A typing class and an English teacher when I was a high-school senior.  We graduated 23 kids that year!  One of them was US Senator Ken Salazar&#8217;s babysitter.</p>
<p>Corporations are too often convenient places for lazy people to hide from performance and responsibility.  Our public colleges and universities are becoming propagandizing centers instead of educational institutions, and too many of their &#8220;movers and shakers&#8221; are morons.</p>
<p>I have enough experience to appreciate a *quality* education.  But too many &#8220;institutions of higher learning&#8221; don&#8217;t provide much useful learning.</p>
<p>I have nine children.  My youngest daughter is pursuing a doctorate in audiology.  My youngest son, age 26 is a senior at Colorado State U.  He speaks English, French, Spanish, and Mandarin, and is currently spending a semester studying international business in Shanghai.  Both of them were home schooled for their last three years of grade school before going to middle school and beyond.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, too many employees of businesses who are responsible for hiring think that piece of paper is important.  What&#8217;s really important is ***HOW YOU THINK***!   People think they need a job, when what they need is a means for producing income.  Remember: Fifteen PhDs from Harvard and Yale, plus three bucks, will buy you a Big Mac at the Golden Arches.</p>
<p>Sorry about my irreverence.  I worked for 30 years with top engineers from the top universities in the country, and some of them were very very good.  But some didn&#8217;t have a lick of common sense.  I interviewed a Masters in Electrical Engineering candidate from Iowa State University in 1976.  His GPA was 3.96.  He couldn&#8217;t even tell me how a simple transistor works or behaves in a simple electronic circuit!</p>
<p>Find something you like to do or can learn to like to do, then figure out a way to market yourself.  Your income is a reflection of the value others place on what you do for them.  It need not be tied to a diploma from some fancy-dancy high-falutin university.</p>
<p>I grew up on a farm.  My dad got through the 9th grade.  My mother had a degree in fine arts from Brigham Young University.  My dad&#8217;s greatest desire was that his children be well educated.  I agree.  But well educated doesn&#8217;t mean you have to go to a hot-shot college.  There are many good ways to gain valuable knowledge.</p>
<p>Take it for what it&#8217;s worth. My wife says I&#8217;m neither outspoken, nor opinionated. <img src='http://bly.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Clarke</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Messner</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/is-the-college-you-go-to-important/#comment-597639</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Messner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 02:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Top-tier?
Who is doing the effing defining?
As far as I am concerned, you, Leigh, went to a top-tier
college.
Quote the
"Messner Top-Tier College Rankings"</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Top-tier?<br />
Who is doing the effing defining?<br />
As far as I am concerned, you, Leigh, went to a top-tier<br />
college.<br />
Quote the<br />
&#8220;Messner Top-Tier College Rankings&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Leigh</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/is-the-college-you-go-to-important/#comment-594783</link>
		<dc:creator>Leigh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Nov 2007 15:12:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am surprised by many of the job ads I see where one of the requirements is "must be a graduate of a top-tier school."  The funny thing is, I have seen that statement in ads for receptionists!

I went to a large, well-ranked school my freshman year of college and it was just too expensive for me.  The tuition itself was way below private institutions (this school was not a state school, but a state system-affiliated school, so tuition was somewhere in between public and private level), but because it was considered public, it did not offer much in the way of scholarships, grants, etc.  I ended up paying almost $6K out of pocket my first year.  I just couldn't manage my 19-credit course load and work a work-study job paying $6.25 an hour enough to make $6K.

So, I applied to a private school close to home.  In addition to my federal and state loans and grants, they also offered me a $20,000 scholarship.  I went there for my remaining three years of college.  The problem is, this private school is not considered a top school by any means.  Sometimes I feel looked down upon because I made a wise financial choice and went with the school that gave me the best aid package instead of the school with the best name.  I can honestly say it has limited some of my internship and job opportunities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am surprised by many of the job ads I see where one of the requirements is &#8220;must be a graduate of a top-tier school.&#8221;  The funny thing is, I have seen that statement in ads for receptionists!</p>
<p>I went to a large, well-ranked school my freshman year of college and it was just too expensive for me.  The tuition itself was way below private institutions (this school was not a state school, but a state system-affiliated school, so tuition was somewhere in between public and private level), but because it was considered public, it did not offer much in the way of scholarships, grants, etc.  I ended up paying almost $6K out of pocket my first year.  I just couldn&#8217;t manage my 19-credit course load and work a work-study job paying $6.25 an hour enough to make $6K.</p>
<p>So, I applied to a private school close to home.  In addition to my federal and state loans and grants, they also offered me a $20,000 scholarship.  I went there for my remaining three years of college.  The problem is, this private school is not considered a top school by any means.  Sometimes I feel looked down upon because I made a wise financial choice and went with the school that gave me the best aid package instead of the school with the best name.  I can honestly say it has limited some of my internship and job opportunities.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Spergel</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/is-the-college-you-go-to-important/#comment-589535</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Spergel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2007 19:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob's advice is excellent: "encouraging your children to discover their true calling — the one thing that totally engages their interest and passion." That's what happened to me. Although, I had to figure it out myself without much encouragement.

Honestly, the really educated people are the ones who use our public libraries on a frequent basis. It's FREE! ;-)

P.S. Steve Wozniak went back to college to finish his degree. Although, that was after his success at Apple.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob&#8217;s advice is excellent: &#8220;encouraging your children to discover their true calling — the one thing that totally engages their interest and passion.&#8221; That&#8217;s what happened to me. Although, I had to figure it out myself without much encouragement.</p>
<p>Honestly, the really educated people are the ones who use our public libraries on a frequent basis. It&#8217;s FREE! <img src='http://bly.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>P.S. Steve Wozniak went back to college to finish his degree. Although, that was after his success at Apple.</p>
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		<title>By: SpongeBob Fan</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/is-the-college-you-go-to-important/#comment-586447</link>
		<dc:creator>SpongeBob Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 20:20:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Bill &#38; Melinda Gates will insist that their kids go to college.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Bill &amp; Melinda Gates will insist that their kids go to college.</p>
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		<title>By: Chuck McKay</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/is-the-college-you-go-to-important/#comment-586399</link>
		<dc:creator>Chuck McKay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Oct 2007 19:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would add only that it may take a while for your children to find their calling.  Asking an 18-year-old what the rest of his life will offer is an exercise in futility for you both.  

Explain that he's going to get a good general education to prepare him to take advantage of the opportunities we all come across, then have faith that something will resonate within him with the passion that a true calling requires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would add only that it may take a while for your children to find their calling.  Asking an 18-year-old what the rest of his life will offer is an exercise in futility for you both.  </p>
<p>Explain that he&#8217;s going to get a good general education to prepare him to take advantage of the opportunities we all come across, then have faith that something will resonate within him with the passion that a true calling requires.</p>
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		<title>By: Scott P. DeMenter</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/is-the-college-you-go-to-important/#comment-584533</link>
		<dc:creator>Scott P. DeMenter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 12:46:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob, an even more controversial question is, "Is going to college important?" 

Certainly, for some jobs, it's a prerequisite. But I've met countless successful professionals, business owners, and entrepreneurs with no college degree at all. (And can anyone say Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, Michael Dell, Woody Allen, Ron Popeil, David Geffen, Ted Turner -- need I go on?).

According to Saul W. Gellerman, Ph.D., “Focus and persistence are all that really distinguish the leaders from the laggars.”

I myself found my true calling and dropped out of a third-rate college with only 9 credits under my belt.

What do I do for a living? Direct mail copywriter, naturally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob, an even more controversial question is, &#8220;Is going to college important?&#8221; </p>
<p>Certainly, for some jobs, it&#8217;s a prerequisite. But I&#8217;ve met countless successful professionals, business owners, and entrepreneurs with no college degree at all. (And can anyone say Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Steve Wozniak, Michael Dell, Woody Allen, Ron Popeil, David Geffen, Ted Turner &#8212; need I go on?).</p>
<p>According to Saul W. Gellerman, Ph.D., “Focus and persistence are all that really distinguish the leaders from the laggars.”</p>
<p>I myself found my true calling and dropped out of a third-rate college with only 9 credits under my belt.</p>
<p>What do I do for a living? Direct mail copywriter, naturally.</p>
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		<title>By: SpongeBob Fan</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/general/is-the-college-you-go-to-important/#comment-583589</link>
		<dc:creator>SpongeBob Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Oct 2007 00:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>See, tho', that's exactly it - we don't live in 1854. We live now. And, when so many people have managed to go to and finish college, it matters that someone hasn't. (And, no, Bill Gates doesn't count!) What does graduating college say to me if I'm hiring? Primarily, that someone can stick with something that's often tedious and come through on the other side. Since so much of work has its tedious parts, I need the people who have are proven performers in that respect. I've never heard anyone apologize for graduating college, but have often enough heard people make excuses for not going/graduating. If it bothers them, it bothers me. (Especially when it's women -- it gives them a chip on their shoulder that expanded opportunities were supposed to free women from!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>See, tho&#8217;, that&#8217;s exactly it - we don&#8217;t live in 1854. We live now. And, when so many people have managed to go to and finish college, it matters that someone hasn&#8217;t. (And, no, Bill Gates doesn&#8217;t count!) What does graduating college say to me if I&#8217;m hiring? Primarily, that someone can stick with something that&#8217;s often tedious and come through on the other side. Since so much of work has its tedious parts, I need the people who have are proven performers in that respect. I&#8217;ve never heard anyone apologize for graduating college, but have often enough heard people make excuses for not going/graduating. If it bothers them, it bothers me. (Especially when it&#8217;s women &#8212; it gives them a chip on their shoulder that expanded opportunities were supposed to free women from!)</p>
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