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		<title>By: David Johnson</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/online-marketing/old-school-direct-marketing-on-the-internet/#comment-675140</link>
		<dc:creator>David Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Dec 2008 04:49:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I'm 28 years old and while I love new technology I think it lacks a direct response edge. 

We could learn a lot from you "dinosaurs", in fact I have and continue to do so and I owe a lot of what I learned about copy writing from reading Mr. Bly's books.  

I do understand the importance of keywords for search engines but I also understand that it's just as important for the copy to actually convert. If the spiders love it the human that's directed to it must love it as well. How many times have you went to a search engine and found a site that had plenty of keyword density but the copy just didn't speak to you? Too many times I'm sure. 

To answer your question, "Is Direct Response Dead?" I would have to say NO WAY! 

Look around, most people settle for a 2% conversion rate and say it's okay because it's average. I don't want average, I want my copy to speak to the reader whether it's a squeeze page, online video or a direct mail piece. 

Direct response will never become extinct as long as people want to convert more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 28 years old and while I love new technology I think it lacks a direct response edge. </p>
<p>We could learn a lot from you &#8220;dinosaurs&#8221;, in fact I have and continue to do so and I owe a lot of what I learned about copy writing from reading Mr. Bly&#8217;s books.  </p>
<p>I do understand the importance of keywords for search engines but I also understand that it&#8217;s just as important for the copy to actually convert. If the spiders love it the human that&#8217;s directed to it must love it as well. How many times have you went to a search engine and found a site that had plenty of keyword density but the copy just didn&#8217;t speak to you? Too many times I&#8217;m sure. </p>
<p>To answer your question, &#8220;Is Direct Response Dead?&#8221; I would have to say NO WAY! </p>
<p>Look around, most people settle for a 2% conversion rate and say it&#8217;s okay because it&#8217;s average. I don&#8217;t want average, I want my copy to speak to the reader whether it&#8217;s a squeeze page, online video or a direct mail piece. </p>
<p>Direct response will never become extinct as long as people want to convert more.</p>
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		<title>By: LShep</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/online-marketing/old-school-direct-marketing-on-the-internet/#comment-674380</link>
		<dc:creator>LShep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:17:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, the problem is more with the clients than the copywriters. Most SEO copywriters breathe a sigh of relief when they get that rare client who doesn't just want a piece of copy full of their key phrase. 

Unfortunately, that's what the majority of them are looking for right now. They give you a phrase or two, though I've had as many as 40 for one article, and the keyword density and that's all they're interested in. I do have clients who care about more than that, and those are the ones worth sticking in the game for. I have some that want both keywords and substance and even a few that don't care about keywords. But, those are extremely hard to find online.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, the problem is more with the clients than the copywriters. Most SEO copywriters breathe a sigh of relief when they get that rare client who doesn&#8217;t just want a piece of copy full of their key phrase. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, that&#8217;s what the majority of them are looking for right now. They give you a phrase or two, though I&#8217;ve had as many as 40 for one article, and the keyword density and that&#8217;s all they&#8217;re interested in. I do have clients who care about more than that, and those are the ones worth sticking in the game for. I have some that want both keywords and substance and even a few that don&#8217;t care about keywords. But, those are extremely hard to find online.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Bly</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/online-marketing/old-school-direct-marketing-on-the-internet/#comment-674375</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Bly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe: I disagree that giving away product as a marketing strategy is ineffective. Go to the food court in the mall. The most crowded food vendor is usually the one with an employee standing in the aisle, holding a tray of free samples of their chicken nuggets. People eat the free sample and then stop to buy a box or two. Barnes &#038; Noble finds the longer people stay in the store reading books for free, the more books they buy when they leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe: I disagree that giving away product as a marketing strategy is ineffective. Go to the food court in the mall. The most crowded food vendor is usually the one with an employee standing in the aisle, holding a tray of free samples of their chicken nuggets. People eat the free sample and then stop to buy a box or two. Barnes &#038; Noble finds the longer people stay in the store reading books for free, the more books they buy when they leave.</p>
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		<title>By: joe sixpak</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/online-marketing/old-school-direct-marketing-on-the-internet/#comment-674374</link>
		<dc:creator>joe sixpak</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:15:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>real marketing is like manufacturing
it helps to create wealth by producing things and selling them 

the internet approach of giving it all away and then somehow sometime making some money later on is like flipping burgers after shipping the manufacturing jobs somewhere else 

you can make a little money for a while with the free internet  model, but when all the folks whose manufacturing jobs got shipped to india are broke then the burger flippers wont be needed either 

love of money is the root of all evil but there is nothing evil about producing and selling products that help society.  how people are treated and how the money is made can be evil but total rebellion against making money at all is silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>real marketing is like manufacturing<br />
it helps to create wealth by producing things and selling them </p>
<p>the internet approach of giving it all away and then somehow sometime making some money later on is like flipping burgers after shipping the manufacturing jobs somewhere else </p>
<p>you can make a little money for a while with the free internet  model, but when all the folks whose manufacturing jobs got shipped to india are broke then the burger flippers wont be needed either </p>
<p>love of money is the root of all evil but there is nothing evil about producing and selling products that help society.  how people are treated and how the money is made can be evil but total rebellion against making money at all is silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Heather Lloyd-Martin</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/online-marketing/old-school-direct-marketing-on-the-internet/#comment-674364</link>
		<dc:creator>Heather Lloyd-Martin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:47:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://bly.com/blog/online-marketing/old-school-direct-marketing-on-the-internet/#comment-674364</guid>
		<description>Hi, Bob-

Thanks for touching upon a HUGE pet peeve of mine!

I don't know how many "SEO copywriters" I've talked with who believe that it's all about shoving keyphrases into copy. They don't know how to write a compelling headline. They don't think in terms of "benefit statements." Heck, many folks don't even know what direct response writing *is.* Instead, these writers are repeating the same words over and over to gain (or game) keyphrase relevancy.

What's worse is that clients are paying top dollar for this content thinking that SEO copywriting is supposed to sound like a laundry list of keyphrases.

It drives me nuts.

Thanks for your email earlier today and letting me post my own rant...

http://www.seocopywriting.com/commentary/why-direct-reponse-writing-skills-are-so-damn-important/

Cheers!
Heather</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Bob-</p>
<p>Thanks for touching upon a HUGE pet peeve of mine!</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know how many &#8220;SEO copywriters&#8221; I&#8217;ve talked with who believe that it&#8217;s all about shoving keyphrases into copy. They don&#8217;t know how to write a compelling headline. They don&#8217;t think in terms of &#8220;benefit statements.&#8221; Heck, many folks don&#8217;t even know what direct response writing *is.* Instead, these writers are repeating the same words over and over to gain (or game) keyphrase relevancy.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s worse is that clients are paying top dollar for this content thinking that SEO copywriting is supposed to sound like a laundry list of keyphrases.</p>
<p>It drives me nuts.</p>
<p>Thanks for your email earlier today and letting me post my own rant&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.seocopywriting.com/commentary/why-direct-reponse-writing-skills-are-so-damn-important/" rel="nofollow">http://www.seocopywriting.com/commentary/why-direct-reponse-writing-skills-are-so-damn-important/</a></p>
<p>Cheers!<br />
Heather</p>
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		<title>By: Aida Profit Formula. &#124; 7Wins.eu</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/online-marketing/old-school-direct-marketing-on-the-internet/#comment-674360</link>
		<dc:creator>Aida Profit Formula. &#124; 7Wins.eu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Bob Bly</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/online-marketing/old-school-direct-marketing-on-the-internet/#comment-674351</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob Bly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 21:35:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mark Allen: With all due respect to you and David Scott -- are you kidding? Look at the companies making huge profits direct response: Day Timer, Omaha Steaks, Franklin Covey, Boardroom, Agora Publishing, Weiss Research, Lombardi, Franklin Mint. Now, a thought experiment: cut out all their online and print direct response campaigns. Replace with your social media strategies. Do you seriously think you could match their current level of revenues? Come on!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mark Allen: With all due respect to you and David Scott &#8212; are you kidding? Look at the companies making huge profits direct response: Day Timer, Omaha Steaks, Franklin Covey, Boardroom, Agora Publishing, Weiss Research, Lombardi, Franklin Mint. Now, a thought experiment: cut out all their online and print direct response campaigns. Replace with your social media strategies. Do you seriously think you could match their current level of revenues? Come on!</p>
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		<dc:creator>nikeshoesvip</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Aug 2008 02:24:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Grant A. Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Grant A. Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jul 2008 03:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bad copy is bad copy; great copy is great copy. What's the secret? Relevance. Regardless of old or new media, if the copy, offer and messaging resonate with the intended segment(s), success will be yours.

What's the key to relevancy? Usually it's the offers/messaging you make/use.

My experience in not either/or, it's using the right channel with the right message and usually involves adjusting such to each segment based on THEIR channel preference, not mine as a marketer.

Both old and new need to apply correct testing -- sadly that's still done infrequently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bad copy is bad copy; great copy is great copy. What&#8217;s the secret? Relevance. Regardless of old or new media, if the copy, offer and messaging resonate with the intended segment(s), success will be yours.</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the key to relevancy? Usually it&#8217;s the offers/messaging you make/use.</p>
<p>My experience in not either/or, it&#8217;s using the right channel with the right message and usually involves adjusting such to each segment based on THEIR channel preference, not mine as a marketer.</p>
<p>Both old and new need to apply correct testing &#8212; sadly that&#8217;s still done infrequently.</p>
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		<title>By: mark allen roberts</title>
		<link>http://bly.com/blog/online-marketing/old-school-direct-marketing-on-the-internet/#comment-674311</link>
		<dc:creator>mark allen roberts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 23:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must say , my original comment about traditional direct mail , having sold it to clients like MSN.Com and others in the past, and used it in the companies I served, would have been “there will always be a place for it in an integrated marketing. “

 I have experienced the impact a well executed direct campaign can have for customers….but that was eight years ago.

I do not want to be argumentative or emotional. I had a mentor teach me a long time ago when faced with emotion, work with facts. 

The proponents of direct marketing make their living selling it, and I hope they have better statistics than what I found as I really want to learn more. 

We used to sell clients “our creative and data base tools create an interruption for the right buyer at the right time” and we had case studies to prove it. (just the ones that worked)

Today I would like to ask company doing direct marketing a single question;

 “how’s that working for you?” 

I don’t mean the creative, or the customer service you receive from your direct mail partners, or the number of leads, but what impact is your investment in direct marketing having on your bottom line? Do you know? 

I was having a conversation about traditional verse new rules of marketing with the guy who wrote the New Rules of Marketing and PR book, David Meerman Scott and he very quickly helped me understand the new rules and their implications with some very quick questions;

“When was the last time I received a piece of direct mail in the last 90 days that identified a perfect solution to a problem I have, and I acted on it?”

“When was the last time, in the last year I went to a trade show searching for a solution to a problem I have?”

“Have I seen a print ad in the last month that was a perfect solution for a problem and I acted on it?”

Then he asked me the following;

“Have I used a search engine in the last week to find a solution to a problem I have?” …and he sold me.

I think every CEO needs to be asked these questions from their investors. What I found was I did not know what I did not know. 

It bothered me so much I did some surface research. I found an ROI report and benchmark Guide by NCM very informative. They studied brands in 2005 through 2007 and here is what I gathered from their report;

•	For every $1 dollar spent in direct mail we should experience a return of approximately $11.49

•	For every dollar spent on other forms of traditional marketing we should expect to see a return of $2.24 to $1.93

•	For every $1 spent in social media we should expect to realize $63.07 return, and if I continue over a number of years as some of the brands studied I will see a return of $112.

•	94.94 % of consumers surveyed are very satisfied or satisfied with social media

•	97% of consumers said there is a good chance or better they will refer a great social site to a friend or family member.

So how’s that working for you? 

Are you receiving a strong return on your investment? Keep up the good work! However if you are like the small and large business owners asking us what should they do different in such difficult economic times I have to recommend social media as an important tool.Measure your results, and adapt.

 
Mark Allen Roberts http://www.tunedinblog.com/blog/pragmatic-marketing.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must say , my original comment about traditional direct mail , having sold it to clients like MSN.Com and others in the past, and used it in the companies I served, would have been “there will always be a place for it in an integrated marketing. “</p>
<p> I have experienced the impact a well executed direct campaign can have for customers….but that was eight years ago.</p>
<p>I do not want to be argumentative or emotional. I had a mentor teach me a long time ago when faced with emotion, work with facts. </p>
<p>The proponents of direct marketing make their living selling it, and I hope they have better statistics than what I found as I really want to learn more. </p>
<p>We used to sell clients “our creative and data base tools create an interruption for the right buyer at the right time” and we had case studies to prove it. (just the ones that worked)</p>
<p>Today I would like to ask company doing direct marketing a single question;</p>
<p> “how’s that working for you?” </p>
<p>I don’t mean the creative, or the customer service you receive from your direct mail partners, or the number of leads, but what impact is your investment in direct marketing having on your bottom line? Do you know? </p>
<p>I was having a conversation about traditional verse new rules of marketing with the guy who wrote the New Rules of Marketing and PR book, David Meerman Scott and he very quickly helped me understand the new rules and their implications with some very quick questions;</p>
<p>“When was the last time I received a piece of direct mail in the last 90 days that identified a perfect solution to a problem I have, and I acted on it?”</p>
<p>“When was the last time, in the last year I went to a trade show searching for a solution to a problem I have?”</p>
<p>“Have I seen a print ad in the last month that was a perfect solution for a problem and I acted on it?”</p>
<p>Then he asked me the following;</p>
<p>“Have I used a search engine in the last week to find a solution to a problem I have?” …and he sold me.</p>
<p>I think every CEO needs to be asked these questions from their investors. What I found was I did not know what I did not know. </p>
<p>It bothered me so much I did some surface research. I found an ROI report and benchmark Guide by NCM very informative. They studied brands in 2005 through 2007 and here is what I gathered from their report;</p>
<p>•	For every $1 dollar spent in direct mail we should experience a return of approximately $11.49</p>
<p>•	For every dollar spent on other forms of traditional marketing we should expect to see a return of $2.24 to $1.93</p>
<p>•	For every $1 spent in social media we should expect to realize $63.07 return, and if I continue over a number of years as some of the brands studied I will see a return of $112.</p>
<p>•	94.94 % of consumers surveyed are very satisfied or satisfied with social media</p>
<p>•	97% of consumers said there is a good chance or better they will refer a great social site to a friend or family member.</p>
<p>So how’s that working for you? </p>
<p>Are you receiving a strong return on your investment? Keep up the good work! However if you are like the small and large business owners asking us what should they do different in such difficult economic times I have to recommend social media as an important tool.Measure your results, and adapt.</p>
<p>Mark Allen Roberts <a href="http://www.tunedinblog.com/blog/pragmatic-marketing.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.tunedinblog.com/blog/pragmatic-marketing.html</a></p>
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